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Hello from Fraser, new forum member.

Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2016 1:49 am
by Fraser
Hi,

My name is Fraser and I have just joined this great new forum.

I used to use thermal imaging cameras in my job but have also become an avid collector of the technology over the past couple of decades.

I both collect and repair thermal camera technology.

My collection includes the following cameras and I will be happy to help fellow owners of such equipment, if able.

AGEMA 880

DEWALT / IRISYS DCT-416

EEV P4428
EEV ARGUS 1
EEV ARGUS 2

FLIR PM570
FLIR PM575
FLIR PM695
FLIR SC500
FLIR SC3000
FLIR E2
FLIR E4 (Upgraded to320x240 + enhanced menus)
FLIR One Generation 2 Android

FLUKE / IRISYS VT02

INFRAMETRICS PM280
INFRAMETRICS ThermaSnap 525

ISG Talisman (Pyro vidicon version)
ISG Talisman (Wasp BST version)

MIKRON /NEC Avio MikroShot / F1S

NEC Avio TH7102W
NEC Avio TH7302W
NEC Avio TH9100

RAYTHEON 300A
RAYTHEON CADILLAC Deville Night vision

TESTO 880

Fraser
United Kingdom

Re: Hello from Fraser, new forum member.

Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 10:00 pm
by forum_admin
That is quite a collection Fraser, especially those Agema ones from before FLIR !

Are they all functional ?

As you'd guess from the forum I am mostly interested in the EEV cameras, and also bits of / from them such as the cores which sometimes survived an otherwise total trashing of the camera. You'd think firefighters would know which one has the axe and which the TIC :lol: but needs must I guess.

I have also seen a few other cameras in passing such as early ISG, ISI, MSA and even the Cairns and FLIR helmet ones.

regards

Re: Hello from Fraser, new forum member.

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2016 9:02 pm
by defence2882
Hi Fraser,

Wow that's some collection you have managed to amass!

I guess the advent of auction sites has helped this along the way?

I have had a keen interest in electro optics having previously worked in this area. However much of my collection is in the visible, low light or NearIR, eventually I hope to obtain parts to unlock the thermal part of the electromagnetic spectrum. Perhaps either build electronics to drive solid state LWIR sensors or obtain a compleat thermal core. In reality I'm mostly interested in the higher resolution sensors 640x480 but would be happy to experiment with 320x240.
I'm not totally convinced however that it would be in any way easy to self build such hardware judging on the limited amount of data that is available online for such sensors. So may just have to start with a thermal core.

How easy was it the upgrade the Flir E4?

Regards

K

Re: Hello from Fraser, new forum member.

Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 11:41 pm
by forum_admin
Hi K,

640x480 would need deep pockets, and VGA resolution is hardly common in industrial / technical cameras even now. Building 'sensor up' is undoubtedly the most satisfying approach but is fairly unusual for any third party. The FLIR business model, even to commercial users, is very much about shipping cores as were L3-Raytheon / BAE-Lockheed / Indigo etc before. Of the main players only ULIS are primarily about shipping detectors to customers while DRS and i3-systems do advertise raw detectors. Even then many end customers still buy cores/modules that someone else has built around a ULIS sensor.

Re: Hello from Fraser, new forum member.

Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 12:55 am
by Fraser
@K,

Upgrading a FLIR E4 used to be quite easy with just the changing os some configuration settings in the Win CE software. Sadly FLIR have made the upgrade ever harder with each new firmware release. The latest firmware version 2.11 can be rolled back to version 2.3 which can still be upgraded. Sadly people have discovered a problem though. The firmware 2.11 uses a different calibration map setup to version 2.3 so effectively prevents a problem free upgrade at this time.

The easiest firmware X to upgrade were 1.18.x and 1.19.x, after that FLIR employed various countermeasures but all could be circumvented right up to firmware 2.3.

If you want to know more about this upgrade, go to the EEVBlog forum at

http://www.eevblog.com/forum

Go to the products sub forum and select Thermal imaging or do a search for E4 Teardown from the main forum page. The thread is titled E4 thermal imaging camera teardown.
I must warn you, it is a VERY large thread due to its popularity.

Fraser

Re: Hello from Fraser, new forum member.

Posted: Mon May 23, 2016 7:38 am
by defence2882
forum_admin wrote:Hi K,

640x480 would need deep pockets, and VGA resolution is hardly common in industrial / technical cameras even now. Building 'sensor up' is undoubtedly the most satisfying approach but is fairly unusual for any third party. The FLIR business model, even to commercial users, is very much about shipping cores as were L3-Raytheon / BAE-Lockheed / Indigo etc before. Of the main players only ULIS are primarily about shipping detectors to customers while DRS and i3-systems do advertise raw detectors. Even then many end customers still buy cores/modules that someone else has built around a ULIS sensor.
Hi Fraser,
Your quite right 640x480 dream I guess is gonna stay that way for sometime yet. I have noticed that ulis seem to be the only raw sensor providers. Although even there online data is limited. Haven't found any application notes as yet from ulis on sensor integration.

Have noticed one or two PTZ thermal image cameras on a popular auction site. But many when investigated more closely are only the non user licence 7Hz variants. Having watched the bidding I'm not convinced some buyers fully understand what they are getting for there money. Can't see how useful 7Hz would really be on a PTZ especially with a slew rate of 12degs per second.

Oh and thanks for your info and link to the flir E4 hack.

Most helpful..

K
Fraser wrote:@K,

Upgrading a FLIR E4 used to be quite easy with just the changing os some configuration settings in the Win CE software. Sadly FLIR have made the upgrade ever harder with each new firmware release. The latest firmware version 2.11 can be rolled back to version 2.3 which can still be upgraded. Sadly people have discovered a problem though. The firmware 2.11 uses a different calibration map setup to version 2.3 so effectively prevents a problem free upgrade at this time.

The easiest firmware X to upgrade were 1.18.x and 1.19.x, after that FLIR employed various countermeasures but all could be circumvented right up to firmware 2.3.

If you want to know more about this upgrade, go to the EEVBlog forum at

http://www.eevblog.com/forum

Go to the products sub forum and select Thermal imaging or do a search for E4 Teardown from the main forum page. The thread is titled E4 thermal imaging camera teardown.
I must warn you, it is a VERY large thread due to its popularity.

Fraser

Re: Hello from Fraser, new forum member.

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 9:27 pm
by defence2882
Hi Fraser,

Thanks for your replys.

Am i correct in thinking that you have been able to aquire a mic412? dual sensor ptz?

I have just aquired a Mic400 to add to my visable spectrum kit. Unfortunaly its the non wipered version. So im looking for a a broken Mic400 to get hold of a wiper assembly..

Your pics on the eev blog of the mic412 are very intersting.

Regards

K